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		<title>By: juk</title>
		<link>http://www.iovene.com/50/#comment-115270</link>
		<dc:creator>juk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ravi</title>
		<link>http://www.iovene.com/50/#comment-104744</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twice in my life I stucked due to WinRAR.
Firstly when I sent an email with a .rar file attched the vendor replied &quot;How to open this file&quot; . No need to say 

I had to sent a .zip file.

Second time it was my personal problem. I reformatted my PC and went to install all my softwares, but to my 

horror all files were in the RAR format. I did this to save some space and to protect files from virus.Worse 

was that my PC was not having an internet connection.That day I sweared that I will never use WinRAR 

especially for my personal &amp; important files.

Also .zip is the favorite format for corporate users which is not the case with .rar.
Adding another point WinZip generated a revenue of US$ 22.7 Million in 2009 whereas nothing has ever 

been reported for WinRAR in this regard.
So its clear that WinZip is better ; WinRAR may be popular but only among pirates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twice in my life I stucked due to WinRAR.<br />
Firstly when I sent an email with a .rar file attched the vendor replied &#8220;How to open this file&#8221; . No need to say </p>
<p>I had to sent a .zip file.</p>
<p>Second time it was my personal problem. I reformatted my PC and went to install all my softwares, but to my </p>
<p>horror all files were in the RAR format. I did this to save some space and to protect files from virus.Worse </p>
<p>was that my PC was not having an internet connection.That day I sweared that I will never use WinRAR </p>
<p>especially for my personal &amp; important files.</p>
<p>Also .zip is the favorite format for corporate users which is not the case with .rar.<br />
Adding another point WinZip generated a revenue of US$ 22.7 Million in 2009 whereas nothing has ever </p>
<p>been reported for WinRAR in this regard.<br />
So its clear that WinZip is better ; WinRAR may be popular but only among pirates.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Leigh</title>
		<link>http://www.iovene.com/50/#comment-14532</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; for bob:

Tar is not a compression application.  You will havt to use bzip2 on the tar archive at the same time or after to see the actual compressed archive.  Please rerun your test and publish your results again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; for bob:</p>
<p>Tar is not a compression application.  You will havt to use bzip2 on the tar archive at the same time or after to see the actual compressed archive.  Please rerun your test and publish your results again.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://www.iovene.com/50/#comment-14022</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am compressing a game image at &quot;best&quot; compression rate using Power Archiver 10:

original .iso is 650mb..........

ZIP: took about 3 min and shrunk it to 400mb.

TAR: took 7 min and didn&#039;t make any any difference in size at all....

7ZIP: took about 5 min and shrunk it to 370mb!

Have not tried RAR yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am compressing a game image at &#8220;best&#8221; compression rate using Power Archiver 10:</p>
<p>original .iso is 650mb&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>ZIP: took about 3 min and shrunk it to 400mb.</p>
<p>TAR: took 7 min and didn&#8217;t make any any difference in size at all&#8230;.</p>
<p>7ZIP: took about 5 min and shrunk it to 370mb!</p>
<p>Have not tried RAR yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.iovene.com/50/#comment-1351</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s unfair comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unfair comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.iovene.com/50/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfair... You should have used the &quot;Best compression&quot; options for the 3 of them. You would have seen that for instance ZIP and RAR have the same compression rate when you use the best scheme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfair&#8230; You should have used the &#8220;Best compression&#8221; options for the 3 of them. You would have seen that for instance ZIP and RAR have the same compression rate when you use the best scheme.</p>
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		<title>By: Olaf</title>
		<link>http://www.iovene.com/50/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Olaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

concerning data recovery there is always par / par2. In my opinion this is much better than built in recovery options.

Look here for more info:
http://parchive.sourceforge.net/

Olaf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>concerning data recovery there is always par / par2. In my opinion this is much better than built in recovery options.</p>
<p>Look here for more info:<br />
<a href="http://parchive.sourceforge.net/" rel="nofollow">http://parchive.sourceforge.net/</a></p>
<p>Olaf</p>
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		<title>By: Salvatore Iovene</title>
		<link>http://www.iovene.com/50/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Salvatore Iovene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suihkukokki: oh well, I&#039;ll have to try that, then :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suihkukokki: oh well, I&#8217;ll have to try that, then <img src='http://www.iovene.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Salvatore Iovene</title>
		<link>http://www.iovene.com/50/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Salvatore Iovene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nomel: I was using default options with all the three methods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nomel: I was using default options with all the three methods.</p>
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		<title>By: suihkulokki</title>
		<link>http://www.iovene.com/50/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>suihkulokki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salvatore, you are outdated. LZMA beats the crap out of anything else. A popular LZMA compression implementation is 7zip, also available for windows. But ofcourse, abstracting file metadata and compression is good so having tar.lzma is better :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salvatore, you are outdated. LZMA beats the crap out of anything else. A popular LZMA compression implementation is 7zip, also available for windows. But ofcourse, abstracting file metadata and compression is good so having tar.lzma is better <img src='http://www.iovene.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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